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Oct 2, 2018

Colin Altevogt, the boys XC coach at Carmel High in Indiana. Colin has been coaching in Indiana for the past 11 years, the last six years as a cross country coach at Carmel. The team has captured four state championships and two state runner-up titles with two qualifications for Nike Cross Nationals (2014 and 2017), including a tenth-place finish in 2017.

Background

  • Ran in high school and college
  • Taught at Avon right out of college
  • 2011-2013 moved to Carmel as an assistant
  • 2012 we trained training
  • 2014 became head coach
  • In the 6 years, we have 4 state titles and 2 runner-ups

Why did you get into high school coaching

  • Always wanted to be a teacher and loved track
  • When I was in college did volunteer coaching
  • Always wanted to be a coach since he was in early teens

Speak to cross country and the traditions in the mid-west

  • Our winters are fairly mild with just a few exceptions
  • Summer we meet in the mornings so good running conditions

Summer Program

  • June 2nd was State track meet
  • June 4th was first practice for XC for those who did not run State
  • We call threshold runs PPM's we don't give them a set pace
  • Paces are based off hard threshold workouts we do once a week over summer

What is PPM

  • Pace Per Mile
  • Big difference with us is threshold workout
  • They run it 'all-out' at a pace they can handle well
  • We keep it simple instead of giving paces
  • Need to learn how to run hard

Example 15:30 5k guy runs 5:00/mi what is this PPM workout for him?

  • Varies a little by runner 800 guy may not be as fast as 3200 guy
  • On a good day 5:20-5:30 for 8 miles

Workout structure

  • Pace per mile is what they do is calculated after the workout
  • The structure is to do best you can
  • Senior boys maybe junior are doing 8 miles
  • The freshman does maybe 2 miles hard and builds up to 5
  • We had 2 boys this year build up to 9
  • Week 1 may do 6 at 5:40 pace, then next week 7 at 5:45 pace then the next week maybe 7 again at 5:40
  • They figure it out the hard way how to do these
  • Ok with them going out too fast and adapt over time
  • Paavo training technique 

Thresholds are an important part of your program, once in the season can you give us a weekly schedule?

  • First meet right around Labor Day
  • Up until first meet Long Run Monday, T/W milage, Th PPM, F milage, Sat building up volume
  • July on Tuesday we may do short PPM in the middle maybe 2 miles for veterans
  • Will work in repeat miles in August
  • Once in season 400 intervals are CI, always the same pace for the season.
    • Low set and high set
    • 2-3 cycles.
    • Low set 4 less than high set
    • High set 1/2 distance of PPM so 8-mile PPM is 16x400 w/ recovery 3:00 jog rest to start
      • Find recovery loop and loop time will come down over the season on loop
    • Monday high set, Thursday low set is what do before big meet in season
    • 400 pace 6-8:00/mi is about 1:00/mi faster than that
    • 5:30 is 70second 400 
  • On big race weeks go to the 2 CI and no PPM that week
  • Once get to tournament week go from 1/4 to 1/3 of a mile so same pace for about an extra 25 seconds

Do you get requests for more variety?

  • Not really
  • They buy in
  • Sometimes will do repeat miles or 2k's
  • Report their times for 400s as 0, +2 or -1 not as 79 seconds

Racing during season

  • Will run mileage on race day so can be a long run day
  • Will sit the top 7 rotating at different points
  • Races are already all out
  • Racing is part of training

Carmel team Culture

  • When season over and only 12 left for tournament roster encourages people to keep training
  • Friday night before regional track time trial for those not running regionals
  • 800 one week, 3200 next week, 1600 following week
  • 2/3 stick around for that
  • Not who wants it most, it is who is most prepared
  • Become best-prepared team we can be
  • Team supports each other, will take anyone still training to sectional, regional and state
  • Let kids know they are wanted all the time
  • Team grew 50%, but those taking it seriously grew 200%

Coach closes talking about the outlook of State and NXN

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